Side of Ham
1:10 Sat Mar 11
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Alex V so you just swap out the player with conjecture and then advocate nothing but the fucking obvious.
Your just full of piffle and hindsight, whereas i offer up the fact that those English club's with 55,000+ stadiums to fill ALL have used and still use massive financial clout to maintain their capacities as their main way of maintaining their status.
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Sven Roeder
1:01 Sat Mar 11
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The club needs excitement Alex.
Like Payet gave.
I'm not sure 60,000 will continue to turn up to watch the turgid crap and multiple humiliations of this season.
We can't compete in the market for big players but this mixture of free transfers , loans and middle table journeymen like Snodgrass & Fonte isn't going to cut it.
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Alex V
12:42 Sat Mar 11
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Sir Alf 11:24 Sat Mar 11
I believe we're close to immune to relegation already - a three tier league is forming imo. We couldn't have played much worse this season without ever seeming in definite peril and managed to pull well clear in one swift run of form. I don't think your £100m spend on 3 players will change our situation very much. In short I think we'll be getting very little value for that money.
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Ronald_antly
12:36 Sat Mar 11
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The Leicester City model.
Except without the success.
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Alex V
12:33 Sat Mar 11
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Side of Ham 6:36 Fri Mar 10
>>> Academy's are there and have been proven to supply the bigger clubs these days as it's rare players will stay at one club for their best years so will toddle off to bigger and better teams.
And it's the same with any model. Whatever players we have and however we get them that can be an issue. So it's just not an argument against having a strong academy.
Spurs will struggle to hold onto Dele Alli this Summer pretty clearly. Does it mean their policy of buying young players and developing them into world class talents is a bad one? Maybe their fans think they should stop doing that?
>>> In fact name a club in England with a huge capacity stadium that has an academy their main supply of footballing talent and we'll follow theirs then eh?
Nobody is suggesting the academy as a main supply, only as a good source. We shouldn't follow anyone as I've already said. We need a model to suit us, not a copy of someone elses.
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Sven Roeder
11:37 Sat Mar 11
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Obviously it's the way of the world now that any player who makes a splash outside the big 6 is immediately being linked with a move to 'better things'.
Gabbiadini is the latest. Half a dozen games and that's the first thing people say. Gone are the days when teams in the bottom half kept a player like Sir Trev like we did.
When you are producing well like Southampton are you have to keep picking winners and investing wisely and you can see a few of their fans worrying about their 'luck' running out.
I guess you try and keep a core of experience and keep your eye on the ball.
Can remember reading that when Southampton got Lallana they had files on his replacement started as they knew he would go.
When Schneiderlin I think went they had been tracking that Romelu or whatever his name is for 3 years:
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Sir Alf
11:24 Sat Mar 11
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Its coming up to 40 years without a trophy isnt it?
The game is 99.9999% about money now but our attempt at revenue expansion has come after FFP which has created a massive barrier to entry for clubs trying to get into the top 6.
We need to buy younger hungry players, develop talent in house Southampton style but in the short term need to buy 3 proven quality players to get to step 1 of progression which is an established Premiership team that does not fear relegation every season.
This summer's transfer business has to be good to get us to step 1. Double the budget of previous years and prepare to pay high salaries to get quality players to a non CL club Mr Sullivan. Quality striker, RB and central midfielder to partner Obiang. A couple of younger prospects too to start seeding step 2. 100 million budget with the 3 quality players taking 80 - 90 million of it without the wage costs.
Will Sullivan and club do that? Highly unlikely if history is a predictor?
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On The Ball
8:25 Fri Mar 10
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Real Madrid.
Buy the best players and win shit.
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BRANDED
8:24 Fri Mar 10
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Nike fairway wood?
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mattyolmes
8:23 Fri Mar 10
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i agree with all of what Sven said - all true imo.
Dortmund - good club, bottom line is only 4 places in the Champs League - who are we going to be bigger/richer/better than? Spurs, Arsenal +Liverpool aren't invincible and look most susceptible.
But honestly we're a good way off them...at the moment, Keep progressing is all i'd ask.
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Side of Ham
6:36 Fri Mar 10
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Alex V....
Academy's are there and have been proven to supply the bigger clubs these days as it's rare players will stay at one club for their best years so will toddle off to bigger and better teams.To name Costa as an example is stupid as you will find whom ever Chelsea or Man City sell they would have had them in part for some of their best years unless they deem them not to standard.
Academys tend to sell their best players just as they are getting to be in their great years.
Suits Southampton and the like but not clubs with 55,000+ capacities to fill for the longterm.
In fact name a club in England with a huge capacity stadium that has an academy their main supply of footballing talent and we'll follow theirs then eh?
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Davenport
1:52 Fri Mar 10
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Brentford & FC Mitjdssdgfsland
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AlvinMartinAllen
1:44 Fri Mar 10
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Ajax.
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Darby_
1:44 Fri Mar 10
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Bigger clubs will always try to poach your players, no matter whether you buy them or bring them through the academy.
There has to be a balance though. If your side as a whole is weak then your young players always will be tempted to leave for bigger clubs. Your squad as a whole has to be strong enough to match your young stars ambitions, at least to a certain extent.
At the moment, though, there seems to be little interest from either Bilic or Sullivan in developing young players.
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Alex V
1:41 Fri Mar 10
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The fact is that players always leave clubs, whatever model anyone chooses. There's no need for us to carry that chip on our shoulder anymore - Chelsea look likely to lose Costa in the Summer, Man Utd lost Ronaldo, it happens to everyone. What we need is a model that works whatever the circumstances.
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Alex V
1:37 Fri Mar 10
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>>> Thing is Alex, whilst that is fine, you won't fill a 60,000+ stadium by being the supply line to the clubs next door to you.
Well then let's not do that then - nobody wants us to, I would think we're all agreed on that. We can still have a strong academy.
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Dr Moose
1:33 Fri Mar 10
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No one's its Brady's job to create a model for success so rather than making excuses get on with it.
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Side of Ham
1:32 Fri Mar 10
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Alex V 12:31 Fri Mar 10
Thing is Alex, whilst that is fine, you won't fill a 60,000+ stadium by being the supply line to the clubs next door to you.
We've now stepped into the realms of not being able to exist as a stepping stone club if we want to fill a massive stadium for the longterm.
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Alex V
1:29 Fri Mar 10
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I don't think we should be following any other club's model. What we should be doing is looking for best practices elsewhere and learning from them. The only model I really want to see is a West Ham model - one that is perfectly suited to our club that gives it the best chance of success.
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Lertie Button
1:22 Fri Mar 10
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Just read something in the paper that would indicate that Billic was watching Barcelona rather than Stoke the other night, shame he might have learned something useful in watching how to grind out a draw away from home against a top team
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